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Richard
20-10-08, 12:05 PM
I think this is a beautiful piece by the master of traders, Warren Buffett. It says a lot when he's stepping in to calm the markets by putting his money where his mouth is (his personal fund, not his company's one). This was taken from New York Time's Op-Ed column which was published on the 16th of October 2008.

Buy American. I Am. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/opinion/17buffett.html?_r=1&em&oref=slogin)
By WARREN E. BUFFETT
Published: October 16, 2008
NY Times Op-Ed Column (http://www.nytimes.com/pages/opinion/index.html)

THE financial world is a mess, both in the United States and abroad. Its problems, moreover, have been leaking into the general economy, and the leaks are now turning into a gusher. In the near term, unemployment will rise, business activity will falter and headlines will continue to be scary.

So ... I’ve been buying American stocks. This is my personal account I’m talking about, in which I previously owned nothing but United States government bonds. (This description leaves aside my Berkshire Hathaway holdings, which are all committed to philanthropy.) If prices keep looking attractive, my non-Berkshire net worth will soon be 100 percent in United States equities.

Why?

A simple rule dictates my buying: Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful. And most certainly, fear is now widespread, gripping even seasoned investors. To be sure, investors are right to be wary of highly leveraged entities or businesses in weak competitive positions. But fears regarding the long-term prosperity of the nation’s many sound companies make no sense. These businesses will indeed suffer earnings hiccups, as they always have. But most major companies will be setting new profit records 5, 10 and 20 years from now.

Let me be clear on one point: I can’t predict the short-term movements of the stock market. I haven’t the faintest idea as to whether stocks will be higher or lower a month — or a year — from now. What is likely, however, is that the market will move higher, perhaps substantially so, well before either sentiment or the economy turns up. So if you wait for the robins, spring will be over.

A little history here: During the Depression, the Dow hit its low, 41, on July 8, 1932. Economic conditions, though, kept deteriorating until Franklin D. Roosevelt took office in March 1933. By that time, the market had already advanced 30 percent. Or think back to the early days of World War II, when things were going badly for the United States in Europe and the Pacific. The market hit bottom in April 1942, well before Allied fortunes turned. Again, in the early 1980s, the time to buy stocks was when inflation raged and the economy was in the tank. In short, bad news is an investor’s best friend. It lets you buy a slice of America’s future at a marked-down price.

Over the long term, the stock market news will be good. In the 20th century, the United States endured two world wars and other traumatic and expensive military conflicts; the Depression; a dozen or so recessions and financial panics; oil shocks; a flu epidemic; and the resignation of a disgraced president. Yet the Dow rose from 66 to 11,497.

You might think it would have been impossible for an investor to lose money during a century marked by such an extraordinary gain. But some investors did. The hapless ones bought stocks only when they felt comfort in doing so and then proceeded to sell when the headlines made them queasy.

Today people who hold cash equivalents feel comfortable. They shouldn’t. They have opted for a terrible long-term asset, one that pays virtually nothing and is certain to depreciate in value. Indeed, the policies that government will follow in its efforts to alleviate the current crisis will probably prove inflationary and therefore accelerate declines in the real value of cash accounts.

Equities will almost certainly outperform cash over the next decade, probably by a substantial degree. Those investors who cling now to cash are betting they can efficiently time their move away from it later. In waiting for the comfort of good news, they are ignoring Wayne Gretzky’s advice: “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been.”

I don’t like to opine on the stock market, and again I emphasize that I have no idea what the market will do in the short term. Nevertheless, I’ll follow the lead of a restaurant that opened in an empty bank building and then advertised: “Put your mouth where your money was.” Today my money and my mouth both say equities.

Warren E. Buffett is the chief executive of Berkshire Hathaway, a diversified holding company.

malcolm_aw
21-10-08, 12:29 AM
i agree with the God of stock (股神)! :)
We should try to be long term investors.

However, sometimes, fear and greed makes an investor lose all his/her sense of direction.. :eek:

synwind
22-10-08, 01:34 AM
currently reading a book about his method, called "Buffettology". Quite interesting. :rolleyes:

Since he started to buy for long term (and we are younger then him), that should not be a problem to profit when he does.
Only problem is that we don't have tones of money like he does :p

Winston
22-10-08, 01:48 AM
He actually started out with very little money in the beginning .... =) in fact, right now, he is actually relatively poor too. Coz he only earns $100,000 a year. So, in a way, when he say he using his own money to buy.. its not that much..hehe.. :P

Winston
22-10-08, 01:53 AM
You can look at stocking up on some good unit trusts! = )

szehao
22-10-08, 04:58 PM
I realised that its not about having tons of money ... its abt money management. But of course having more money helps, each position risk allowance in absolute dollars is more ... hence the profits in absolute terms seems bigger ... but in terms of ROI, is the same.

Having tones of money also has its problem ... his one trade/investment
would probably move the mkt if the stock capitalization is small.
But I'm definitely not against having tones of money :D



currently reading a book about his method, called "Buffettology". Quite interesting. :rolleyes:

Since he started to buy for long term (and we are younger then him), that should not be a problem to profit when he does.
Only problem is that we don't have tones of money like he does :p

szehao
22-10-08, 04:58 PM
or good investment grade wine ;)



You can look at stocking up on some good unit trusts! = )

Winston
23-10-08, 01:08 AM
hahahahahha... i'm keen to learn more!

sunflower700
24-10-08, 09:58 PM
As such, can we invest in USD deposit now?

Administrator
24-10-08, 11:53 PM
The question is how much of your portfolio and how long you are looking at?

sunflower700
25-10-08, 01:08 AM
If we are looking at equivlent USD 30k for about 3yrs?

Will any chance USD go up to 1.8?

Winston
25-10-08, 02:14 AM
heh.. with all the crosses so similar..

are you saying USD/SGD at 1.8 or EUR/USD at 1.8?

Are you doing it to pay for education fees?

If you really want to take a bullish USD position for a 3 year time frame, you might want to look at taking up high quality stocks/ long performing mutual funds on the NYSE.

Taking $30,000 and stuffing it into a Fixed D is not really the best idea to go, even if you think that there is appreciation value, because the risk of depreciation is also high.

Buying into stocks would reverse hedge that with the stock's value.

I think on forum, this is about as far as I can suggest.

We can talk at one of the gatherings, because with a long term fixed position, you would want to spend sometime looking at exit strategies and crash scenarios. E.g. can the 3 years extend to 4 years if needed? Will you ever need to touch the money? Do you really need FX appreciation as an added variable into your plans? Is the upside worth the downside risk?

cheers,


winston

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sunflower700
25-10-08, 10:08 AM
I am talking about USD/SGD.

Hmmm... I have no idea for stock honestly.

I agree with you on the depreciation side.. thus i wan to find out more from the expert here :D

I feel holding power for the currency is equally impt.

Winston
27-10-08, 03:10 AM
USD/SGD at 1.8 is hard to say at this point, because we now seem to be more heavily weighted to the EUR. Then again, it also depends on our trade exposure for the govt to adjust the bandwidth and composition.

Who knows if we will continue being exposed to EURo zone events or US events?

Are you planning to take it through a Fixed D?

In the next 5 years at least, our sing dollar, will maintain some decent global power because we are a solid country financially.

cheers,

winston

Winston
27-10-08, 03:30 PM
For my opinion on holding Foreign FD read the full post here: http://www.forexdrivingschool.com/forum/showthread.php?p=260#post260

Cheers,


winston